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You provided as counter example one of the best combos, if not the best combo of Lloyd with 136 likes to prove he is valued and noticed, from one of those periods where he was behaving well (or at least not fucking up).
But in general, the most of his stuff doesn't get nearly the same amount of retweets and likes as other prominent and good players (keeping in mind Lloyd's level and base amount of followers, before his nonsense was more public).
That is just from what some western players and memebers in the community in general know, which is far from everything. And understanding community as usual players/members. Not every DMC meme-addict (or creator), lore theorist, etc.
Obviously, usually prominent and/or reputable players have more followers. This means that if out of a sudden Turtle, you and others completely stopped supporting me because of X reasons, the core of my visibility would be badly damaged, because the rest of my followers don't have necessarily many followers themselves to keep spreading my tweets/content.
I am not saying they are less valuable because they have fewer followers themselves and the chain of retweets would get more easily broken... I am being exclusively pragmatic in terms of visibility, and explaining why Lloyd's combos don't get as many RTs and likes as they could.
A donguri fanboy (not fan, but fanboy) isn't relevant to the topic. I don't care if he considers you non-existent or a relevant player, as regardless of subjectivity, a criterion can be more or less coherent in relation to an objective. And the amount of retweets, likes, fame, sheep effect, tendency to fanboyism, etc., alone, are obviously not a logical one (criterion). Which is why I would consider you one of the greatest players and relevant even if you had 2 followers and would barely get 10 likes/combo or tweet. That would just mean most people in the community are idiots or don't have internet. Not the case.
The lower amount of likes and RTs on average in Lloyd's case is however not because of irrelevant reasons, and if that's just from the shared stuff about him to this point, imagine if people knew what I know. And I mean people with at least half a brain. Not people who don't care at all about his insults, just because such insults were not directed at them (but others).
Yes, Lloyd exists and kept getting more followers and retweets despite all this. True. Likes and Retweets don't mean everything. Also true. He even got the attention and support from players like Andy, Skelly, Jace, Destiny and many others. Let alone players behind a language barrier.
But I am pretty sure they would not be as prone to support him if I shared and translated all the crap he has said about other players, his insults, the way he has mocked others' content, etc., regardless of how good he is at DMC. Something I already did with Blossom or Jace, for example. Which is why I argumented the 136 likes aren't representative or a good criterion. The most of the reputable players in this community don't care anymore about Lloyd. They are merely sick of him. And wouldn't share his content at this point to save their lives. And the ones who still do it barely know what he has done.
This is also why I said we were talking about Lloyd (again) because of his bad behavior. And not because of how good his content is (I would say Kyo meant Lloyd isn't noticed in a more figurative way, and as hyperbole).
I did share some of his content recently because he wasn't fucking up and partially because (probably) part of me still hopes he will truly improve one day, even if I do my best to not hope shit.
One tweet blowing up, like his Nero idea with an Angelo long ago (even before some of his BS), doesn't automatically disprove everything Kyo said, even if I consider it an exaggeration myself and I disagree in some aspects (which I already pointed out).
You and I would not retweet and like shit from Hitler, even if Hitler was the very best DMC player in the multiverse and could do 9 dimensional hepta reversed ectoplasmatic starraves. We would be aware of his level, but we would just not care much, because it's not as transcendent as what he has done to other people, and we can't really isolate the content from the person in terms of support. Again, even people who say I don't care if X fighting game player, DMC player, etc., is a good person or not, I only care about his/her content... would definitely care if their bad actions were directed at them.
It's an obviously extremely exaggerated example, but this is what I was trying to say. Lloyd would be much more relevant if he didn't fuck up like he did so many times. And he would also be even less relevant if more people knew about his mistakes.
Even if you, from a certain day, behaved in a totally unacceptable way, systematically...; Turtle, Geno, Kyo, myself, etc., wouldn't care as much as we do about your content. We are humans, not DMC machines, and it's not moral to ignore bad behavior just because of the quality of the content. We may comment your content in sporadic conversations from time to time. At most. But in terms of support, you would lose relevance. Just like Lloyd.
This was my point. And I wasn't saying I completely disagree about absolutely everything you said.
This is not about Lloyd's nonsense in itself was one of your statements, but the thing is that you can't separate Lloyd's nonsense from all these topics (visibility, reputation among respected players, relevance, etc.).
But in general, the most of his stuff doesn't get nearly the same amount of retweets and likes as other prominent and good players (keeping in mind Lloyd's level and base amount of followers, before his nonsense was more public).
That is just from what some western players and memebers in the community in general know, which is far from everything. And understanding community as usual players/members. Not every DMC meme-addict (or creator), lore theorist, etc.
Obviously, usually prominent and/or reputable players have more followers. This means that if out of a sudden Turtle, you and others completely stopped supporting me because of X reasons, the core of my visibility would be badly damaged, because the rest of my followers don't have necessarily many followers themselves to keep spreading my tweets/content.
I am not saying they are less valuable because they have fewer followers themselves and the chain of retweets would get more easily broken... I am being exclusively pragmatic in terms of visibility, and explaining why Lloyd's combos don't get as many RTs and likes as they could.
A donguri fanboy (not fan, but fanboy) isn't relevant to the topic. I don't care if he considers you non-existent or a relevant player, as regardless of subjectivity, a criterion can be more or less coherent in relation to an objective. And the amount of retweets, likes, fame, sheep effect, tendency to fanboyism, etc., alone, are obviously not a logical one (criterion). Which is why I would consider you one of the greatest players and relevant even if you had 2 followers and would barely get 10 likes/combo or tweet. That would just mean most people in the community are idiots or don't have internet. Not the case.
The lower amount of likes and RTs on average in Lloyd's case is however not because of irrelevant reasons, and if that's just from the shared stuff about him to this point, imagine if people knew what I know. And I mean people with at least half a brain. Not people who don't care at all about his insults, just because such insults were not directed at them (but others).
Yes, Lloyd exists and kept getting more followers and retweets despite all this. True. Likes and Retweets don't mean everything. Also true. He even got the attention and support from players like Andy, Skelly, Jace, Destiny and many others. Let alone players behind a language barrier.
But I am pretty sure they would not be as prone to support him if I shared and translated all the crap he has said about other players, his insults, the way he has mocked others' content, etc., regardless of how good he is at DMC. Something I already did with Blossom or Jace, for example. Which is why I argumented the 136 likes aren't representative or a good criterion. The most of the reputable players in this community don't care anymore about Lloyd. They are merely sick of him. And wouldn't share his content at this point to save their lives. And the ones who still do it barely know what he has done.
This is also why I said we were talking about Lloyd (again) because of his bad behavior. And not because of how good his content is (I would say Kyo meant Lloyd isn't noticed in a more figurative way, and as hyperbole).
I did share some of his content recently because he wasn't fucking up and partially because (probably) part of me still hopes he will truly improve one day, even if I do my best to not hope shit.
One tweet blowing up, like his Nero idea with an Angelo long ago (even before some of his BS), doesn't automatically disprove everything Kyo said, even if I consider it an exaggeration myself and I disagree in some aspects (which I already pointed out).
You and I would not retweet and like shit from Hitler, even if Hitler was the very best DMC player in the multiverse and could do 9 dimensional hepta reversed ectoplasmatic starraves. We would be aware of his level, but we would just not care much, because it's not as transcendent as what he has done to other people, and we can't really isolate the content from the person in terms of support. Again, even people who say I don't care if X fighting game player, DMC player, etc., is a good person or not, I only care about his/her content... would definitely care if their bad actions were directed at them.
It's an obviously extremely exaggerated example, but this is what I was trying to say. Lloyd would be much more relevant if he didn't fuck up like he did so many times. And he would also be even less relevant if more people knew about his mistakes.
Even if you, from a certain day, behaved in a totally unacceptable way, systematically...; Turtle, Geno, Kyo, myself, etc., wouldn't care as much as we do about your content. We are humans, not DMC machines, and it's not moral to ignore bad behavior just because of the quality of the content. We may comment your content in sporadic conversations from time to time. At most. But in terms of support, you would lose relevance. Just like Lloyd.
This was my point. And I wasn't saying I completely disagree about absolutely everything you said.
This is not about Lloyd's nonsense in itself was one of your statements, but the thing is that you can't separate Lloyd's nonsense from all these topics (visibility, reputation among respected players, relevance, etc.).
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