Lloyd and Turbo...
Romeo and Juliet is a comedy compared to this tragedy with no end.
There was another recent tweet about this topic, but I ignored it (until now), because I am really sick at this point from all this nonsense and because I have debunked it endless times, in many conversations in discord and even in a long ass reply in 2be's Dante tutorial, where he complained about 2be implying Turbo is better.
Lloyd has deleted the tweet, it seems, as he does many times, but thankfully I got a screenshot from another person.
It was related to donguri's first video with Turbo in DMC5:
Some people misunderstood the tweet. Lloyd wasn't really calling donguri retard. It was aimed with sarcasm at himself, in the sense that he keeps playing a victim role like if people raped his family for playing without Turbo.
What's hilarious and ironic is that he used sarcastically the expression healthy brain, from the mentioned comment I replied with (in 2be's tutorial).
The full comment is longer than this, just showing a chunk of it to let you see in which context I said healthy brain:
And I say it's also ironic because Lloyd's sarcasm tries to mock me/the expression when, just in case you didn't know or doubted it, 10 meses means in Spanish 10 (fucking) months. That's right. This happened 10 fucking months ago, and mentally you are definitely not very healthy if you bring it up out of no fucking where using donguri as excuse (if only...).
Especially keeping in mind these replies by that time (when I was intensively trying to help Lloyd as friend) in my server and related to my YT comment:
Or the fact that we had one last long ass discussion last week in my server where I recommended him once again, to stay positive, constructive, helpful, etc., letting people know that he can change in a stable way... Not like I expected much at this point, but he seemed to agree..., only to see how he fucks up again next week.
A really good friend...
But no. I don't comment all this because of that healthy brain part or because of donguri. I explained it to give you some context and to see the fucking pattern.
If I really bother writing all this it's because yesterday he also involved EdwinXu, one of my favorite people and players from the DMC community.
Once more, he involves 2 players in his own paranoia. 2 Players that have been supporting Lloyd for a long time. What's more, I am pretty sure Millz considered Lloyd himself also insane, at the very last in freestyle. Yet he still managed somehow to type that tweet with his usual and tiresome passive-aggressive tone.
I won't say names, but even if not mocked (as far as I know), Edwin has been criticized for not using Turbo. And every single player has been at some point criticized for something.
For spamming a certain tech, for using infinite HP, for recycling set-ups or combos, for letting the enemy touch the ground too long, for doing this or that move that someone doesn't like, for doing only short combos, etc., etc., etc.
Sometimes the criticism is constructive or at least logical, other times it's wrong/illogical. But every single player has been criticized. Even Turtle had to read someone saying that he was mashing buttons.
Edwin's channel is sadly not very big on YT, so he doesn't even have a big audience in the western community to be mocked or criticized as often as other players (same goes for the compliments). But he has been definitely criticized as well.
One doesn't need to be 11 million times better or more experienced than you to say that Turbo is better. Experience can be very relevant for specific stuff, but not for this. It's explained in my second point from 2be's tutorial and also in this segment of my entry about DMC5's flaws:
"...Speed is a relevant variable in human's perception. It's not a mere coincidence that people tend to prefer to drive faster (if it's for fun), faster combos, faster martial artists in movies, etc. The brain gets more stimuli per unit of time, you get rewarded for interpreting them, and for executing at higher speed. Obviously it's a tendency (other variables can negate the preference) and there are limits...".
I agree that it obviously depends a lot on how people say it. And that some mocked Lloyd stupidly with comments such as slow-mo lol. But with this behavior, attacking passively (and not very subtly) other players, or using them to spit your nonsense, not many will empathize with you, let alone sympathize.
There was another recent tweet about this topic, but I ignored it (until now), because I am really sick at this point from all this nonsense and because I have debunked it endless times, in many conversations in discord and even in a long ass reply in 2be's Dante tutorial, where he complained about 2be implying Turbo is better.
Lloyd has deleted the tweet, it seems, as he does many times, but thankfully I got a screenshot from another person.
It was related to donguri's first video with Turbo in DMC5:
Some people misunderstood the tweet. Lloyd wasn't really calling donguri retard. It was aimed with sarcasm at himself, in the sense that he keeps playing a victim role like if people raped his family for playing without Turbo.
What's hilarious and ironic is that he used sarcastically the expression healthy brain, from the mentioned comment I replied with (in 2be's tutorial).
The full comment is longer than this, just showing a chunk of it to let you see in which context I said healthy brain:
And I say it's also ironic because Lloyd's sarcasm tries to mock me/the expression when, just in case you didn't know or doubted it, 10 meses means in Spanish 10 (fucking) months. That's right. This happened 10 fucking months ago, and mentally you are definitely not very healthy if you bring it up out of no fucking where using donguri as excuse (if only...).
Especially keeping in mind these replies by that time (when I was intensively trying to help Lloyd as friend) in my server and related to my YT comment:
Or the fact that we had one last long ass discussion last week in my server where I recommended him once again, to stay positive, constructive, helpful, etc., letting people know that he can change in a stable way... Not like I expected much at this point, but he seemed to agree..., only to see how he fucks up again next week.
A really good friend...
But no. I don't comment all this because of that healthy brain part or because of donguri. I explained it to give you some context and to see the fucking pattern.
If I really bother writing all this it's because yesterday he also involved EdwinXu, one of my favorite people and players from the DMC community.
Once more, he involves 2 players in his own paranoia. 2 Players that have been supporting Lloyd for a long time. What's more, I am pretty sure Millz considered Lloyd himself also insane, at the very last in freestyle. Yet he still managed somehow to type that tweet with his usual and tiresome passive-aggressive tone.
I won't say names, but even if not mocked (as far as I know), Edwin has been criticized for not using Turbo. And every single player has been at some point criticized for something.
For spamming a certain tech, for using infinite HP, for recycling set-ups or combos, for letting the enemy touch the ground too long, for doing this or that move that someone doesn't like, for doing only short combos, etc., etc., etc.
Sometimes the criticism is constructive or at least logical, other times it's wrong/illogical. But every single player has been criticized. Even Turtle had to read someone saying that he was mashing buttons.
Edwin's channel is sadly not very big on YT, so he doesn't even have a big audience in the western community to be mocked or criticized as often as other players (same goes for the compliments). But he has been definitely criticized as well.
One doesn't need to be 11 million times better or more experienced than you to say that Turbo is better. Experience can be very relevant for specific stuff, but not for this. It's explained in my second point from 2be's tutorial and also in this segment of my entry about DMC5's flaws:
"...Speed is a relevant variable in human's perception. It's not a mere coincidence that people tend to prefer to drive faster (if it's for fun), faster combos, faster martial artists in movies, etc. The brain gets more stimuli per unit of time, you get rewarded for interpreting them, and for executing at higher speed. Obviously it's a tendency (other variables can negate the preference) and there are limits...".
I agree that it obviously depends a lot on how people say it. And that some mocked Lloyd stupidly with comments such as slow-mo lol. But with this behavior, attacking passively (and not very subtly) other players, or using them to spit your nonsense, not many will empathize with you, let alone sympathize.
This is so fucking stupid in so many ways that I want to vomit:
1) This happened precisely because Millz praised Edwin and it bothered you. And you would like that it was you... But it's not you, so you need to justify your idiotic cognitive dissonance (why not me?!?!?!; I am good too, or even better) with a paranoia where you are a special victim that almost everyone hates.
1) This happened precisely because Millz praised Edwin and it bothered you. And you would like that it was you... But it's not you, so you need to justify your idiotic cognitive dissonance (why not me?!?!?!; I am good too, or even better) with a paranoia where you are a special victim that almost everyone hates.
2) The fact that Edwin wasn't insulted because of the same reasons as you doesn't mean the Universe is unfair with you. It only means that you met some idiots and he didn't.
This is like a victim of rape complaining to the rapist "b-but why didn't you rape also her???". With the difference that you are not complaining to the aggressor... Which bring us to the next point.
3) Millz, DK and the most of the people never mocked Lloyd because of non-turbo. Some high level player MAYBE did the observation as a small critique, but there is nothing wrong with this. The rest were constructive, apathetic or even rude comments from some viewers. And still, for every negative comment about the lack of turbo in his gameplay or combos, there are like 30 positive comments.
This is like a victim of rape complaining to the rapist "b-but why didn't you rape also her???". With the difference that you are not complaining to the aggressor... Which bring us to the next point.
3) Millz, DK and the most of the people never mocked Lloyd because of non-turbo. Some high level player MAYBE did the observation as a small critique, but there is nothing wrong with this. The rest were constructive, apathetic or even rude comments from some viewers. And still, for every negative comment about the lack of turbo in his gameplay or combos, there are like 30 positive comments.
On top of this, Edwin and Millz have supported Lloyd since long ago.
4) English isn't the first language of Edwin. Yet he still does his best to engage in conversations or express himself as well as possible. When I talk with him, I am pretty certain that he takes a lot of time to check dictionaries and translators even for a few sentences, only to make sure I will understand him.
He is one of the nicest guys in the community and if you wouldn't behave like this, maybe you would know that he does talk to people. Just not to assholes.
And no, questioning how genuine is someone just because you can, without any evidence, doesn't make you look any better. Quite the opposite. People like Edwin are nice because it's in their personality, not because they want to avoid being mocked for not using Turbo.
I know Edwin and I am damn sure he wouldn't have any problem to admit that his combos would look EVEN BETTER with Turbo. Exactly like yours or anybody who plays without Turbo.
What's more, he has already done comments in the line of my hands aren't fast enough for Turbo to express humility and self-awareness. Because obviously he could play with Turbo. Some stuff related to APM would be harder. Stuff regarding timings maybe would be slightly easier. In any case he perfectly knows non-turbo is not the ideal, but it's his choice and he accepts it with the handicaps.
Unlike you, who plays in non-turbo thinking that nobody should ever dare say anything against it.
As I said... You need help, Lloyd.
I won't try to help you anymore because you destroyed my patience. But look for help. You are losing the few people who still support you.
4) English isn't the first language of Edwin. Yet he still does his best to engage in conversations or express himself as well as possible. When I talk with him, I am pretty certain that he takes a lot of time to check dictionaries and translators even for a few sentences, only to make sure I will understand him.
He is one of the nicest guys in the community and if you wouldn't behave like this, maybe you would know that he does talk to people. Just not to assholes.
And no, questioning how genuine is someone just because you can, without any evidence, doesn't make you look any better. Quite the opposite. People like Edwin are nice because it's in their personality, not because they want to avoid being mocked for not using Turbo.
I know Edwin and I am damn sure he wouldn't have any problem to admit that his combos would look EVEN BETTER with Turbo. Exactly like yours or anybody who plays without Turbo.
What's more, he has already done comments in the line of my hands aren't fast enough for Turbo to express humility and self-awareness. Because obviously he could play with Turbo. Some stuff related to APM would be harder. Stuff regarding timings maybe would be slightly easier. In any case he perfectly knows non-turbo is not the ideal, but it's his choice and he accepts it with the handicaps.
Unlike you, who plays in non-turbo thinking that nobody should ever dare say anything against it.
As I said... You need help, Lloyd.
I won't try to help you anymore because you destroyed my patience. But look for help. You are losing the few people who still support you.
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