Final Conversation with Blue Devil

MartinG

My last comment to you. While I didn't like a few things that Millz said and did, I don't really want to interact with you anymore keeping in mind your behavior yesterday. Especially comments about licking your ass, belittling the performance of another player, saying nonsense about the situation in China and Millz's stance (you don't have to be in China to understand why he was right, and people telling him to shut up were wrong), on top of all the things I have explained to you myself... I didn't like how people made a lynch mob to hurt you, because even if you are an homophobe, I never saw you hurting someone publicly because of his/her sexuality (your dogma is still wrong though, and you can influence people around you with your hatred, like your friends or even future kids). Some comments to attack you were too violent, even if you didn't do it much better yourself with many replies, which is why I didn't want Millz to share that screenshot directly. He didn't even ask me before doing it, but he apologized to me and honestly, I can understand why he exploded. You were condescending with him since quite some time. Like if he was some inferior player. I perceived the same about Blacksheep and didn't like it at all. I am not talking about making a concrete critique of a combo, but your tone and obvious bias. I think I did my best to try to keep everyone in a friendly climate, and to mitigate the effect of many of your tweets (including a lot of stuff from the past, like prising so much Trigger Out while belittling our own project, how players shouldn't discuss with "idiots" and more), always telling people in private that you still have "good intentions" even if your behavior is wrong many times. But it didn't work... Despite all this, I wish you the best, and hopefully you can understand some day why you were wrong in these topics to become a better person (we aren't perfect either). Goodbye.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

ive read your whole message, you did send it to him why? even you didnt react it as much as how others did. You do you know that im muslim? i couldnt reply to all things from comming people just because of i was about to have heart attack from the shock. And i cant reply them like you are thinking wrong by supporting lgbt. I do have even connection with lgbt members from community like splinter and johto. My situation is very complicated. And millz told a lot of things which are not even real. I count my behaving about valy very wrong and im shaming about it a lot after learning yesterday that even his own father tried to kill him. I get all these very well. But nobody can change my religious my believes and where i do come from. Islam(muslim) says to us that there are only two gender exist and other things are not normal. This is what i believe. But nobody can see me by disrespecting to any other person just bbecause of their lgbt support Believe me there are a lot of things exist that totally different in my opinion. Even he did get some of my compliments as bad, while he said me on private message that your critisizing is right
i did close my twitter because i was having a lot of messages from people and there was a lot of lgbt memes exist about me. Neither my patience nor my health is enough to handle with it. And i simply deactivate my account to stay in calm sometime
If you really thinking that he didnt do right by posting all those screenshots then i appreciate it. Even i talked this matter to lgbt members who are from community with voice talk on discord. They did understand me very well. Besides the homophobic matter. I wasnt even picking the part in that talk, i just was asking without knowing anything. THen i did research and wanted to stay close. DIdnt wanted to hurt both sides. Then millz droped his sarcasmic sentence like - its not possible they are bd's friends and his friends couldnt be wrong. While i even never thought like that

MartinG

I shared the message because it was shocking for me and I trusted Millz. And I considered that you would tell Millz the same, because you 2 were in a good relationship by that time (I thought so). I shared my effort and your reaction. It was very unexpected from you to read all that. And you still saw that I didn't start insulting you or anything violent. Millz didn't do it by that time either, and I didn't expect him to share it yesterday without even asking.
Also I am pretty certain there are Muslims who are gay themselves and adapt their beliefs to research and recent findings. Genders are studied in Social Psychology since decades. Biologists themselves distinguish between gender and biological sex.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

he is telling some things which are not even truth like i did drop VV because of hitting his views, while even i cant imagine myself doing something like that with that purpose. OR even when i was critisizing or wanting to be on podcast my thinking was kind. If that seemed bad to him he could tell those things at that times like you are critisizing me for nothing. Understood martin. Im really upset about what happened. I know all those things very well. Im not ignorant or a person who dont know how world is turning. I even do have lgbt member favorite actors who im respecting a lot. But all these doesnt change my religion my believes. Im muslim, who believes in god and trusting about what Khuran book says.
I know very well that world will not be how im thinking. So i dont have any problem with anybody. And Valy issue completely shame about me. Im shaming a lot about talking without knowing any shit about the case

MartinG

I didn't like the comment about your "Chinese friends", but you were totally wrong in your approach. Once more you were condescending... Like "yeah, sure... YOU would know more about China than someone who lives in China"... This is stupid. You don't need to live in China to have information about China. Even living in China doesn't give you automatically information about the whole country, its state and system. Everybody has data and analyzes it to express his stance. Millz argumented his, and he was totally right. Oppression, censorship, indoctrination are wrong (even if they aren't exclusive to China). If someone disagrees, he can show evidence and his reasoning. Saying "shut the fuck up" only proves what kind of moronic education they have had.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

it was question like "is there any possibility about they know about china more than you?" and im the one who told all they told about him from dms. Until that millz doensnt have any idea about what is happening in there. I couldnt pick side, even there are some good parts in that case from millz side too. I would like to see chinese people using youtube too. But its their government not mine. They did a lot for me they did support a lot more than western community , that why i tried to be neutral but my words were already did affect to most of people
and while asking that question i wasnt even sure what was going on and what was the matter
you have no idea how much ive recieved bad reaction from community. I do get it why and especially about the homophobic opinions i did get reactions. But the things millz mentioned like i did something for being close ,or i did something for having more views etc. I dont need it. DMC not brings anything to my life except having fun. Its good to see people liking your videos etc, i do care about views while i did put effort. But never caring about who is better or who is having more likes and views than me. It happened only with donguri and you know very well why i did tell all those things

MartinG

Sorry, but what you say is nonsense. It's irrelevant if it's their government, yours, mine, or from some alien. Millz is NOT attacking your friends, or Chinese people. He criticized the CHINESE GOVERNMENT, because what they do is inherently immoral. I will repeat it once more: Oppression, censorship, indoctrination are wrong (even if they aren't exclusive to China). There is absolutely no reason to not support Millz. And if someone disagreed with him, he could have argumented why. But there is NO fucking logical argument against what Millz said. I talked myself with XXXXXX yesterday and he only CONFIRMED the situation in China. He couldn't even openly talk too much about it in DMs, because he was afraid of any type of consequences. This type of OPPRESSION and censorship are WRONG. Period.
This is why your approach to his tweets was wrong. And condescending.
It's irrelevant if you have friends who disagree with Millz as long as they don't argument shit.
It's like you went there only to mess up things and to be condescending with Millz.
There have been plenty of tweets about the protests in Honk Kong, and information on the net about the situation in China. Not necessarily always true, but one can evaluate the consistency and evidence.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

i cant say much even so sorry im not mentally and healthy good right now to talk too much. Im gonna go to hospital today for checkup. Yesterday was pretty bad for me. Yeah i get the matter you enlighted.

MartinG

Millz definitely didn't need specifically you to know about this issue.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

i could be wrong at this
i even dont know neither you nor them in real life. I just didnt want to be part of matter but i did became part of it, i shouldve kept my mouth shut while dont have any idea about the matter
I cant do much for people who already even blocked or disliked just because of what millz told them. Its not truthes about me at some parts. But all i can say nobody have to be agree with my religious opinions, i dont remember if i told you that my country lgbt members are different than who are living in abroad. Thats one of the reasons of mine and religious believe makes my opinion like this. Who cant accept my religion, he or she can block and dislike me hate me a lot. But dont want to see that somebody comes on me and talking shit about me because of my believes while i dont do the same to them too
i will not return to twitter. Will not be the part of your community, as a member I will go from my own path. I can tell some things like burn in hell or go to hell while im angry but. Thats not my concern. My religion says to me that trust in god. He will punish people if they really deserved about what they done. So i wish good luck. I hope some day you can understand my life situations and understand that some people created like this and some people could have different opinions. You said by yourself that you never saw me to do a propoganda about lgbt members and attacking them too. I have own believes but i that doesnt mean i have to attack them or ruin their life. Its their life, they can live however they want. Cheers and goodbye

MartinG

The main problem in your whole reasoning regarding religion is that you talk like if someone forced you to believe what you believe. I already counter argumented that explaining that I am pretty certain there are muslism who are gay and/or just adapt their beliefs to research, logic, data, etc. It's true that you didn't attack anybody publicly as far as I know, but it's still immoral. You influence other people around you as well, and eventually your future kids. What would you do if your son was gay? People definitely went too far attacking you yesterday, but you are far from being innocent. An apology to Valy and Millz would be well received. Regardless of staying on Twitter or not.
I could share it.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

if my son will be gay or my daughter will be a lesbian i have to deal with it and live by knowing that fact
i will not do anything against them

MartinG

then why wouldn't you accept them equally if they were someone else's sons.
and why would you say all what you said.
implying that you detest how they express themselves. when you and I are free to do so and it's ok for you just because we are straight.
what I can do as well is to share this conversation to let people see your last replies/thoughts/explanations.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

Martin i do have favorite lgbt member actors from hollywood. My homophobic opinions mostly related to those who are from my country. They are criminals here. They are killing people , they are living like whore and earning money from it and most of them are alchogolic. If ever my son or daughter will felt different, i will do my best for them not falling and losing their way like how others are in my country. I told you im good with johto and splinter too while they are Bİ But im afraiding of lgbt members of my country. Believe me its totally different than abroad. İ dont have any experience about lgbt members of abroad. And also i do feel weird when i see two men are kissing. This is religious part of mine. While im muslim i cant say im 100 percent acting like muslim, but i do have believes

MartinG

Valy isn't anybody in your country (assuming what you say was true... and even if it was, straight people kill and whatnot as well). And what you said to me that day wasn't at all exclusive to LGBT members only from your country. Liking some actor doesn't justify all what you said that day.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

those who are lesbian and gays but counting themselves as muslim, i cant do a thing for them or even i cant tell that its right or its not right. Khuran is our holy book,something like bible. And khuran completely rejecting lgbt. Im afraiding of god. And wanting to live my life good as much as i can
but if ever will my son or daughter will be like that i gotta accept it
yeah thats why im shaming about it.
i did talk without knowing any shit about him
without knowing why he were posting and doing all those things.

MartinG

even if his father or mother didn't accept him, he would still be free to express himself.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

believe it or not with all my honest i could support a person without counting his or her sexual interests if someone tries to kill them. My believes could be different but that doesnt change the fact Valy is human too.
yeah he is.
When i was talking about him, i thought that he is one of attention guys who are showing his sexuality to get attention. But i was totally wrong and shaming about it a lot.

MartinG

well, if you wanted them dead, the replies yesterday would be 500 times worse... I suppose people already assumed that your hatred/rejection towards homosexuality, etc., doesn't go THAT far.
let me see something again...

BlueDevil(Nicat)

i want some of them be dead in my country, who are killing people and who are forcing people. There are a lot of person that i know from here they had bad accidents about it

MartinG

this is just one screenshot. there are more.
your words: I hate them too much; I can't call him "guy"; it's disgusting... etc., etc., etc.
a lot of things totally unrelated to "showing off their sexuality for attention".
and do you want straight people dead too? because there have been plenty of straight people who have committed horrible crimes.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

no i dont want

MartinG

I don't see any God or book pointing a gun at your head to think and believe all this.
it's still you who chooses how to adapt your religion (to be religious is a choice per se anyway).

BlueDevil(Nicat)

and while i was writing all these to you the only lgbt members i was thinking was my country member. But i did wrong by mentioning "Whole"

MartinG

so I am sorry, but I don't accept it as a good reason to say all what you said that day.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

there is not any problem with it

MartinG

you are free to adapt your beliefs.
you build them.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

yeah and i will
i did mention "whole" and "all" words in that day. And its a big mistake from my side i know. I couldnt express myself very well. So i mentioned all by thinking only my country. That times i was thinking that all of them are potentially criminals because of my experience with here. And maybe i was wrong about this. Still saying, not forcing anybody to accept my believes and apology etc. Ill just be who i am and ill live with my own rights. You should do the same too, it will never bother me if even you will hate me everytime
so if its okay now i would like to end conversation with goodbye. Never wanted to say goodbye to twitter and to some of people while they are hating me. But its how the situation is. I gotta watch to my own way
goodbye

MartinG

Again, even if what you say about your country was true, there are plenty of straight people who have committed horrible things. Including genocide. It's obvious that a particular sexuality doesn't guarantee a moral behavior and actions. I am plainly pointing out why your beliefs are wrong, why your behavior with Millz was wrong (even if he did his own mistakes), etc. The concept of "forcing" doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. If you are insinuating that I am forcing you to believe something else, then I wouldn't be reasoning and counter-argumenting the whole time. I would be doing totally different things.
It's ok to end the conversation. I want to share it on twitter so people will see your last thoughts and explanations at least.
Just confirm you are ok with it.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

no i know you were not forcing me to believe something else yeah confirming it you can share all

MartinG

Ok.
Then... As I said, goodbye and I wish you the best despite all what happened. And hopefully you can adapt your beliefs as you said.
Good luck.

BlueDevil(Nicat)

good luck

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